Understanding by Design Chapter 11 - #sbarbook Mon 8/8/11

justbugnu           #sbarbook hello everyone. Ok I did my first blog. It's about UbD wrkshp. It is at justbugnu.blogspot.com. Check it out n give thoughts.

druinok                It's #sbarbook time again - however, I haven't read this week's chapter - too busy prepping for back-to-school

jrykse                   @druinok don't think you missed much.  Beginning has some nice ideas on how to get started.  #sbarbook

jrykse                   @druinok A couple nice examples of a unit design before and after applying UbD. #sbarbook

druinok                @fourkatie heya :)  what are your thoughts on this chapter? #sbarbook

fourkatie             late, but here for #sbarbook

fourkatie             @druinok I'm 6 pages short of finishing, but it seems to be pulling it together. Liked the multiple entry points into design. #sbarbook

fourkatie             it is more important to test against the backward design logic and standards as you play with ideas (cont...) #sbarbook

fourkatie             rather than to think of design as a step-by-step process in which you doon' tneed to look back" pg255 #sbarbook

fourkatie             Kind of annoyed that the example for math in this chapter was geometry again.  #whatiswrongwithalgebra #sbarbook

druinok                @fourkatie @jrykse I feel so bad for not reading #sbarbook - please forgive!

Understanding by Design Chapter 10 - #sbarbook Mon 8/1

fourkatie          Anyone here for #sbarbook?

jrykse                present #sbarbook

druinok             @jrykse @fourkatie I'm here, but didn't read :( #sbarbook

fourkatie          @druinok @jrykse I read this week. still need to go back and read last chapter. still struggling with this. #sbarbook

jrykse                @fourkatie @druinok This chapter seemed to be "choose teaching method that would best meet your objective (EU)". #sbarbook

fourkatie          @jrykse I'd agree with that summary #sbarbook

jsb16                  Is #sbarbook happening tonight?

jrykse                @fourkatie It was amusing how they tap danced around coming out and just saying "do something besides lecture all the time". #sbarbook

fourkatie          @jrykse I thought they were trying very hard to not offend anyone's pref method of teaching. Felt wishy-washy. #sbarbook

jsb16                  And yet, there are still people who claim that "21stC koolaid" is "rubbishing" lecture, even with all the caveats in #sbarbook...

fourkatie          Revisited the cover vs uncover. I definitely want to keep that idea forefront #sbarbook

fourkatie          I've been guilty of using the textbook as syllabus. Gotten better at setting my agenda and then arranging book resources to match. #sbarbook

jsb16                  Really liked "Students must learn that these mistakes are not avoidable, or shameful, but key episodes in gaining understanding #sbarbook

jrykse                @jsb16 Yeah I don't get that. I thought they had some good examples of how we learn best.  #sbarbook

fourkatie          I liked the summary of ways to check for understanding on pp 248-249.  would be good resource to help new teachers #sbarbook

jsb16                  Have to admit I didn't finish the #sbarbook chapter, and I got into a debate about the Dewey quote this morning.

jsb16                  Are we winding down this #sbarbook, or is Twitter on the fritz?

fourkatie          Not feeling very passionate about #sbarbook tonight. Must say have been more jazzed with the tweets on organizing ;)

jrykse                Winding down. Easiest chp to read of book. Had some nice resources (question starters, etc.). #sbarbook

jsb16                  #sbarbook Next week, Chapter 11?

jrykse                @jsb16 getting close to start of year.  Can we do 2 chapters next week? #sbarbook

jsb16                  Only 3 chapters left in #sbarbook. Do we need to do 2/week?

jrykse                @jsb16 Never mind. I thought we had more chapters. 1 is perfect. #sbarbook

jsb16                  Next #sbarbook (Chapter 11) 8/8 at 9:30EDT.

fourkatie          @jsb16 sounds good #sbarbook

jybuell               For the #sbarbook crew - http://samjshah.com/2011/08/02/our-experience-with-understanding-by-design/ feat. @samjshah and @bowmanimal

Understanding by Design Chapter 9 - #sbarbook Mon 7/25/11

jsb16                     OK. Who wants to start #sbarbook? What did you think of chapter 9?

gwaddellnvhs    Who is here for #sbarbook tonight? @jsb16 and are hosting.

jrykse                    present. #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    #sbarbook Chap 9 was where the rubber really hit the road for me. Very detailed and focused on planning. It is what actually matters.

gwaddellnvhs    #sbarbook the "whereto" makes a lot of sense in the planning process. Spend more time planning, and in class the learners do the work.

jsb16                     Trying to integrate modeling, #anyqs, #wcydwt, and WHERETO & my brain is overflowing #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook but really, #anyqs and #wcydwt speak to the "hook" the "where" and the "reflect & revise". They can be very simpatico!

jrykse                    I think the whereto will help clean up lessons. I have some missing pieces. #sbarbook

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs Didn't say they wouldn't work well together. Just different from how I learned #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook I agree. The way I was taught to develop a lesson plan was very bad. Very teacher focused, not learner or results focused.

jsb16                     #sbarbook Really liked the "We take a different view." (pg 202) Brings in some of the passion/interest-based angle.

gwaddellnvhs    #sbarbook Page 192, "What is the best use of time spent in & out of classroom." Reminded me of "Rethinking Hmwk" by Vatterott. It all fits!

jsb16                     #sbarbook Also different from how my HS teachers planned & different from how PD is run. Not sure how it should feel. @gwaddellnvhs

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook We are forcing our PD to run along side UbD. It can't be optional to teach well. It has to be an expectation (in my dept.)

jsb16                     #sbarbook There's a bit about teaching transfer explicitly. How do you do that in your classes?

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook - "teaching transfer" badly.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook sorry about the snark. That is a struggle. we did not spend much time working on that last year, and it showed.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook it is something this year we are going to work hard on attempting (not sure if we will succeed, but we will try.)

jrykse                    @gwaddellnvhs We seem to spin our wheels tackling tasks instead of being able to talk about student learning & getting better. #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jrykse #sbarbook there is some contention. 2 teachers who refuse to participate. I think this year it will be the "good" plc and the rest.

gwaddellnvhs    @jrykse #sbarbook we do have an agenda that explicitly works against the "task" focus. It helps to have the agenda set, and

gwaddellnvhs    @jrykse #sbarbook and strong personalities that keep it from being hijacked by the "get it done and go home" persons. It takes more time tho

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook @jrykse I think I'm the only one in my department investigating modeling and #sbar.

jrykse                    Catching up on #sbarbook tweets, had a washer emergency, turns out I don't have to buy new one, circuit was tripped. Phew.

gwaddellnvhs    #sbarbook any other comments on the "whereto"? @jrykse @jsb16

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @jrykse #sbarbook It is hard when you are alone. Thank goodness for social networking! and success breeds success. it will pay off.

jsb16                     #sbarbook I think it'll be useful, eventually. I'm not sure I have the assessment part clear enough in my mind to work on this yet. :(

jrykse                    @gwaddellnvhs @jsb16 The catcher in the rye example on p199 spoke to me. Now to do that in math. #sbarbook

jsb16                     @jrykse #sbarbook I liked that example, too. Trying to translate it into physics...

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @jrykse #sbarbook my initial idea: Handicapped ramp at school is not built to spec. We must learn all necessary math to show it is.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @jrykse #sbarbook This is for a linear function review, and I would set out all pieces and at the end go out side and they measure

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook My idea: elementary school across busy street from park: can kids cross safely?

jsb16                     #sbarbook That's for constant velocity motion, possibly extending to constant acceleration motion.

jrykse                    @jsb16 Then students make a case to department of transportation whether one of those overhead crosswalks should be built. #sbarbook

jsb16                     @jrykse #sbarbook Exactly. I was thinking that the audience for the project would be the city planning department.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @jrykse That is really good! I like that idea. #sbarbook It is good the audience is someone besides us, the teacher.

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook Thanks. I need to work on rubrics and checklists and so on, to help myself (and students) get it together.

jsb16                     #sbarbook And I need video of the street and pictures of the school & park and measurements to allow students to collect data...

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook That is one difficulty with this method. More work up front for us. But the payoff of the learners working more is worth it

jrykse                    @jsb16 @gwaddellnvhs Rubrics, that another thing I learned from #sbarbook I do badly.

jsb16                     #sbarbook I hope to make time to post the project on http://physicsadventures.blogspot.com/ and maybe work out some of the kinks that way.

druinok                I can't wait to read tonight's #sbarbook discussion - looks really good so far!

jsb16                     #sbarbook Next Monday for chapter 10?

jrykse                    @jsb16 I can do Monday. #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 #sbarbook, next monday sounds great to me.

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs @druinok #sbarbook Monday, 9:30 for Chapter 10?

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @druinok agreed. Monday, 9:30 for Chapter 10. #sbarbook

jsb16                     #sbarbook OK, next Monday it is for Chapter 10.

Understanding by Design Chapter 8 - #sbarbook Monday 7/18/11

jsb16                     NP: #sbarbook Ch7: in which I flounder trying to get a handle on designing assessments to get at student understanding of velocity.

jsb16                     NP: #sbarbook Ch7: http://t.co/SWlJUtB in which I try to get a handle on designing assessments to get at student understanding of velocity.

druinok                Okay ladies and gents, who all is here for Ch 8 of #sbarbook?

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook Woohoo I am here, and twitter is working again for me suddenly!

jsb16                     I'm sort of here #sbarbook. Haven't finished the chapter, though.

fourkatie             Here for #sbarbook, but Twitter says I'm following 0 people so not seeing much!

druinok                Okay, so any first thoughts on Ch 8?  Do any of you use rubrics now when grading? #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook I have some bad ones I created that I used. After this chap I know why teachers before me used rubistar. consistency.

druinok                I liked the idea that an explicit goal implies the criteria needed for the rubric, even before the task is designed (pg176) #sbarbook

druinok                For me, the issue with rubrics is that it takes so long to get it perfected :( I did like their guide on how to set one up tho #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook and just because you give feedback with a rubric doesnt mean it has to be a grade. grade could come later after revision

jsb16                     @druinok #sbarbook I use rubrics, but I've never happy with them. Not fond of Rubistar. I like @DataDiva's rubrics.

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs I know w/ the AP rubrics, they start w/ a draft and use hundreds of student papers to revise #sbarbook

eduz8                    MT I totally agree.  Change them every time. @druinok  For me, the issue with rubrics is that it takes so long to get perfect  #sbarbook

jrykse                    Anyone able to get back on for #sbarbook?

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs but obviously in our classrooms, we don't have unlimited resources with which to perfect the descriptors #sbarbook

druinok                @jsb16 I've not seen her rubrics - do you have a link? #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook that is the problem isn't it. Bouncing off of the @datadiva comment. WOW!!! I have not seen her site before. Nice.

jsb16                     @druinok Hang on while I find them back... #sbarbook

druinok                I also really liked the self-assessment piece (2 ?s) on pg 184... #sbarbook

jsb16                     #sbarbook Here's @DataDiva's 'Quality Rubrics' wiki: http://qualityrubrics.pbworks.com/w/page/992395/Home

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok @jsb16 #sbarbook I wonder how many times I have given invalid assessments and though later, why didn't they get it?

jsb16                     I like the 6facet rubric (pg 178-8) #sbarbook. I'm thinking that the top level is beyond A+ for HS, though.

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs exactly!  I think that's the hardest part :(  and the same issue w/ self-assessment of the rubric #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16  #sbarbook Should it be though? if many (not all) assignments are built around they honeycomb, they should be able to reach up to it.

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs sometimes when I've used rubrics, I get frustrated b/c their overall score doesn't seem to match the output :( #sbarbook

justbugnu           @druinok I really liked the self-assess on that page as well. #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook both ways on score not matching.I had terrific work earn low score. Was rubrics expectations not met, or work truly bad?

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook In physics? Thorough, inventive, powerful, illuminating... Grad students still aspire to the kind of understanding.

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs or poor descriptors on rubric?  good question #sbarbook

justbugnu           #sbarbook I really liked the self-test for assessment ideas on pg 187. I'm going to use that as I plan.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16  #sbarbook harder in physics, you are right. (my degree is in physics, I understand!) But pushing them can't hurt (I hope).

druinok                I think I need to take their advice on starting small w/ rubrics, just understanding and performance at first #sbarbook

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook I'm thinking that 2nd-from-top will be A+, & top will be "extra credit".

druinok                @jsb16 @gwaddellnvhs you are referring to the rubric on pg 178? #sbarbook

eduz8                    #sbarbook  Rubrics are tough.  Trying to predict paths and quantify feedback seem to limit options and make a task less "authentic".

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok @jsb16  #sbarbook yes. That is a tough rubric on 178.

druinok                @jsb16 @gwaddellnvhs I agree that top line is pretty intense for most kids #sbarbook

jsb16                     @druinok @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook Yes. The top level seems a discouragingly high bar for students unused to SBAR.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @druinok  #sbarbook I think it takes a lot of scaffolding to begin at a lower level, and by the end of the year work up to this (178)

druinok                @eduz8 agreed, I like the "make piles and jot why on sticky-notes" approach they had, but crazy amounts of time #sbarbook

jsb16                     #sbarbook Really wish I could run through the refining process on p181 with actual student work & colleagues.

druinok                @jsb16 I don't know that I would have a large enough sample size to refine well :( #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16  #sbarbook I have several teachers that collaborate with me on this type of thing in my department. That way we help each other.

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16  #sbarbook I strongly recommend it! When several people are coming up with good material based on this, it make light of the work.

eduz8                    @druinok I find that the refining is mostly in my head: my goals, my purpose.  Rather than student work.  #sbarbook

jsb16                     @druinok #sbarbook I don't think it's a matter of sample size. Even a small class can have variety of understandings.

druinok                @eduz8 I think part of my struggle is so many rubrics are very subjective and that's tough :( #sbarbook

druinok                @jsb16 For the purposes of refining the rubric though - if you are using student samples to refine the descriptors #sbarbook

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook I'd love to, believe me. A matter of convincing colleagues that I'm not trying 2 get them 2 do my work or vice versa

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16  #sbarbook I guess that is where twitter comes in then, huh! We need to find you some like minded physics teachers.

jsb16                     @druinok #sbarbook It's still not a sample size issue. You're looking for examples of work at each level. Iterative, rather than statistical

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs #sbarbook Also a matter of getting permission/forgiveness for posting student work on the interwebs... :)

druinok                @eduz8 I struggle writing the descriptors in a clear enough manner to easily differentiate between the levels #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16  #sbarbook If you use post-its to cover identifying part, take pictures or scan w/o names, should be no problem.  Just don't post it.

jsb16                     @druinok @eduz8 #sbarbook Think fewer levels would be easier to write?

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok @eduz8  #sbarbook I think practice with writing the descriptors is key here. The more we practice, the easier it will be.

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs @eduz8 @jsb16 To be perfectly honest, dont know how much of this I will implement this year - it's very overwhelming #sbarbook

eduz8                    #sbarbook  Ever have students use your rubric to provide feedback on peers?

jsb16                     When I blog this chapter #sbarbook (probably tomorrow), I'll post some of the rubrics I used this year. Hoping people will comment.

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok @eduz8 @jsb16  #sbarbook like with anything worthwhile, baby steps!

jsb16                     @eduz8 #sbarbook I write a separate rubric for peer assessments, focused more on process than understanding.

eduz8                    #sbarbook  I am finding thinking about bid ideas to bind my course together helpful. Different. Build from there.  http://bit.ly/qyWqIl

eduz8                    @jsb16 How are they different? #sbarbook

druinok                @gwaddellnvhs Just be happy I've continued reading - I was about to chuck this book a few chapters back :) #sbarbook

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook Nooo! Honestly, I think this is the most useful, and difficult, book I have read since becoming a teacher.

jsb16                     @eduz8 #sbarbook 4 a lab report, process is: are graphs clear? Questions answered? Conclusion stated? Understanding is: r conclusions valid?

eduz8                    @jsb16 #sbarbook Why do you not have students provide feedback on the validity of conclusions?

jsb16                     @eduz8 #sbarbook Their grasp of validity tends to be right v. wrong and often accompanied by insults &/or sucking up. Trying to avoid emo...

druinok                Okay #sbarbook folks, the convo seems to be winding down - what do you want to do for Ch 9?  What day is best for you?

jsb16                     @druinok #sbarbook Next week! I need time to process and start experimenting with all these ideas...

fourkatie             Sorry I missed #sbarbook. I still have 0 follows/followers, but I'm seeing some posts in my stream now.

jreulbach             @fourkatie Sorry I missed.  Fam reunion this week.  It's going to be hard to get to anything this week.  #sbarbook

druinok                Also guys, once August gets here, I don't know how reliable I will be w/ #sbarbook just fair warning :)

druinok                any other feedback on when to do ch 9 of #sbarbook? (If it's next week, I will need a volunteer to lead it) (also, ch 9 is long)

gwaddellnvhs    @jsb16 @druinok  #sbarbook I agree, next monday.

gwaddellnvhs    @druinok  #sbarbook I can help lead it if it is Monday.

jsb16                     @gwaddellnvhs @druinok #sbarbook Likewise: I can help out if it's next Monday.

druinok                Okay then, next Monday night it is :)  #sbarbook

Understanding by Design Chapter 7 - #sbarbook Mon 7/11/11

Sorry on the delay on this one. I was out of town and it looks like twitter had some troubles.
--Lisa

druinok Okay ladies and gents, who all is here for #sbarbook? :) Don't forget you may need to unprotect tweets for recording the convo


jsb16 I'm here for #sbarbook. Didn't finish the chapter, though.

jrykse Here #sbarbook

druinok overall, this chapter was way easier to read than some of the previous ones - what stood out to you guys? #sbarbook

jrykse and were back? #sbarbook

fourkatie here for #sbarbook . A little late. trouble with twitter.

jsb16 I like the idea of trying to "convict" kids of understanding with a "preponderance of evidence". #sbarbook

fourkatie I didn't finish the chapter, but seemed easier to grasp. assessment infor reminded me of past #sbarbook

druinok Ok #sbarbook, it appears we are back :) This chapter hit me in the gut again. I've been guilty of some of the assessment issues :(

druinok @jsb16 I really liked that analogy as well. #sbarbook

jsb16 I'm just not sure what would provide best evidence that a kid understands, say, the difference between velocity & acceleration. #sbarbook

jrykse One thing that annoyed me was the performance task examples. All geometry. I swear they are always geometry examples. #sbarbook

druinok Many tchr tests tend to focus on the accuracy of knowledge & skill rather than on evidence of transferability #sbarbook guilty :(

fourkatie Liked the assessment continuum #sbarbook

druinok @jreulbach me either - and that really convicted me too - the idea of "understanding is revealed in performance" #sbarbook

druinok @jsb16 as in authentic assessment projects? #sbarbook

jsb16 #sbarbook @druinok I think we probably all are. I know our midterm & final are the same way.

druinok @jrykse geometry is so hands-on, it's easier to find authentic projects I think #sbarbook

fourkatie @jreulbach top of 152 (continuum of assessment) #sbarbook

druinok In my workshop today, was thinking through the "Is this REAL?" lens - it's really going to be tough at times :( #sbarbook

jsb16 #sbarbook @druinok Any authentic task, rather than quiz question, yeah.

druinok @jreulbach agreed that skills are needed.. but I am guilty of assessing what is EASY for me to grade, not necessarily BEST #sbarbook

jsb16 @jreulbach Only seeing half the conversation on #sbarbook. I think your tweets are protected.

druinok I liked that this chapter had a lot of illustrations with examples, etc #sbarbook

druinok I really did like the GRASPS concept #sbarbook

jrykse Academic prompts is about the best I have. I really don't think I have done any tasks this past couple years. #sbarbook

jreulbach @fourkatie I liked that too. and, the order was great. Confirmed what I was thinking about projects at the end. #sbarbook

jreulbach I REALLY liked "Rounding Out Evidence" pg.169. one-minute essay, bring written q to class each day. #sbarbook

jrykse @druinok The prompts they gave for EU's and q's past couple chptrs helped also.This one will help in maybe finally getting a task. #sbarbook

druinok @jreulbach agreed - I really liked the one-minute essay idea #sbarbook

druinok Not a science teacher, but this statement was shocking to me.. "A typical sci lab presents an exercise, not a problem" #sbarbook

jrykse @jreulbach The 1 minute essay will be something to mix up with exit slips instead of just a problem to quick do. #sbarbook

jreulbach @druinok Two q's though. 1) does each student write on clean paper? 2) when do I have time to read all of them? lots of paper #sbarbook

jsb16 Having perfectionism paralysis w #sbarbook atm. Not happy w stds (district or state), leads to not liking EQs & EUs, makes assessment rough.

jreulbach @jrykse Exit slips are hard bc students have so far to travel at my school. I can't hold them back even for 2 mins. #sbarbook

jreulbach anyone interested in staying for 10 mins after and talking about red flags from last #sbarbook? Planning it now for the fall.

fourkatie I think the one-minute essay might be good to do at the end of a week. big point(s) this week. question(s) you still have #sbarbook

jsb16 #sbarbook @druinok Cookbook labs are definitely exercises. Little thinking required.

jrykse @jreulbach @druinok Thinking just tear off 1/2 sheet from anything they have. can scan during your passing time between hours. #sbarbook

druinok @jreulbach I didn't say it was easy, I just said I liked the idea LOL :) #sbarbook

jsb16 @jreulbach What was the last #sbarbook?

druinok @jsb16 I think that is so true for all of us - it seems SO overwhelming to me! #sbarbook

jreulbach I was thinking GDocs. Everyone could enter their Q, then I could look ever them. #sbarbook

jsb16 If anyone writes a blog post about UbD assessments, please tweet and tag #sbarbook I'd love to see real examples.

jreulbach @fourkatie Oh, I like that! Not everyday then. I'm going to use GDocs for that for sure then. #sbarbook

jrykse @jreulbach don't do everydayPre planned question.Make sure they have 5 minutes at end of class. Like @fourkatie, after a big idea. #sbarbook

fourkatie @jreulbach maybe turn it into an Entrance slip. Need to see me before next class to re-explain. #sbarbook

jrykse @jreulbach I don't return, not doing any feedback. Strictly for me to see what is going on. If kid is lost a flag! #sbarbook

druinok @jrykse but some feedback could be useful I would think? #sbarbook

jsb16 #sbarbook @jrykse Do you have kids who don't turn it in?

druinok Sounds like we are starting to wind down - any other thoughts on this chapter? #sbarbook

fourkatie @jreulbach We have only 1 minute between classes, so exit slips have been tough to implement for me, so entrance slip. voila! #sbarbook

jrykse @druinok I tried doing feedback but then got overwhelmed. Stopped doing them. Then tried again just for me. #sbarbook

jrykse @jsb16 No grade, no worries for them. I try to touch base next day so I think they figured out it was good to at least try. #sbarbook

jsb16 Not sure I'm going to have the next #sbarbook chapter done by Thursday...

druinok Is Thursday still good for ch 8? #sbarbook

jrykse @jreulbach I've seen some folks do that. Seen some make it a grade. I just wanted a way to quickly see how all doing. #sbarbook

jrykse @druinok I'm fine for thursday. #sbarbook

jreulbach I'm in. Believe it or not, I already read it. It was very short and easy too. #sbarbook

jreulbach BUT, these are chapters that I already do most of in class currently so I already understood them. #sbarbook

fourkatie I should be okay with Thursday #sbarbook

druinok Alrighty then, sounds like Thursday is okay for most... thanks as always for a great conversation! #sbarbook

jsb16 Need to spend some quality time with @kellyoshea's standards and (I think) @ThinkThankThunk's FCI bef I'm ready to really work on #sbarbook.

Understanding by Design Chapter 6 - #sbarbook Wed 7/6/11

druinok          So, who all is here for #sbarbook?

fourkatie       Here for #sbarbook

justbugnu     #sbarbook I'm here for #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @druinok It's beginning to make more sense #sbarbook

jrykse             Here #sbarbook

lmhenry9      I'll be here shortly for #sbarbook. Working on getting kids to bed now.

druinok          so what did you guys think of this chapter? #sbarbook

fourkatie       Well, I was actually able to get through this chapter, so that was a plus #sbarbook

druinok          @fourkatie LOL *high five* :)  #sbarbook

druinok          The one thing I took away was "Students should understand THAT" - definitely helped w/ wording I think #sbarbook

fourkatie       I liked the emphasis in parts that you need empathy for the novice, that you need to have a developmental reality check #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @druinok I like the quote you tweeted earlier on pg 139 about vocabulary #sbarbook

jreulbach       @druinok Yes, that was in @samjshah's template. #cliffnotes #sbarbook

fourkatie       that "what is initially a difficult inference can become, over time, an accepted and obvious fact" pg 136

jrykse             Now there is also topical vs overarching understandings not just questions? Brain going to explode. #sbarbook

justbugnu     #sbarbook I like the figure on pg 137. Will try it to see if helps identify EQ.

jrykse             @jreulbach What is this template you speak of? #sbarbook

druinok          .@mrhodotnet I was semi-sarcastic w/ that tweet :)  I sometimes feel the authors have an Expert Blind Spot in this book #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @jrykse I liked that concept too. So in pre-calc we can work on function transformations then see how it also applies to trig fxns #sbarbook

fourkatie       @jrykse totally agree with you. I feel like I'm going around in circles.

jreulbach       "elementary teachers are typically well aware that much of what adults "know" is not at all obvious or sensible to kids. #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @druinok I know. I still like it. I actually like the other way. Give me the word and then clarify so I know how to organize ideas #sbarbook

druinok          .@jrykse LOL - I feel that way often when reading this book... I'm more of a simple girl, no need for big words #sbarbook :)

druinok          Okay, so within your own subject, can you complete one "Students should understand that..."? #sbarbook

jreulbach       RT @bowmanimal: here's one that @samjshah and i made at our summer program sugarsync.com/pf/D6921860_65…

lmhenry9      Here now for #sbarbook. Working on catching up.

druinok          .@jreulbach I loved that quote!  Of course, I also jotted next to it that I felt that way in this book LOL #sbarbook

jreulbach       I don't know if it an expert blind spot or just bad writing. too wordy. blah. #sbarbook

jreulbach       . @druinok I FEEL that quote now that I teach ms. So much they don't know that is just "fact" in hs. #sbarbook

jrykse             Students should understand that data can be communicated graphically. This would be a topical understanding? #sbarbook

druinok          I did like how they did the concept attainment at the beginning of this chapter #sbarbook

lmhenry9      @jrykse I felt the same way about the topical/overarching understandings and questions. #sbarbook

jreulbach       I'm a BIG fan of the summaries now. #sbarbook

mrhodotnet SSUT different graphical representations of data reveals different features of the dataset and respond differently to outliers #sbarbook

jreulbach       @druinok It reminds me of the text book I had to read for the ONE political science class I took in college. #murder #sbarbook

fourkatie       @druinok Exactly. Do as I say, not as I do. #sbarbook

druinok          @jrykse sounds great to me! :)  #sbarbook

druinok          Students should understand that... quadratic functions can be used to model projectile motion ??? #sbarbook

fourkatie       How about - Students should know that in math we only combine things that are alike (fractions, terms, complex nums...) #sbarbook

mrhodotnet SSUT function transformations apply to all types of functions, even trigronometric functions even though we call them phase shift #sbarbook

lmhenry9      @fourkatie I like that one. #sbarbook

mrhodotnet The second one seems a little narrow. Maybe that falls more into topical/overarching understading @jrykse mentioned earlier #sbarbook

druinok          actually doing some writing is helping me I think #sbarbook

jreulbach       SSUT we evaluate expressions in a certain order to get consistent answers.

druinok          that section (civil war example) was the most useful.... the math examples are not helpful to me :( #sbarbook

justbugnu     #sbarbook students should understand that living systems are organized by levels of complexity.

jrykse             @druinok So then to turn that into overarching say SSUT functions can model real life. #sbarbook Don't really like "real life" phrase though

eduz8             @druinok #sbarbook  re: quadratics.  Maybe larger.  Students understand that functions are used to model patterns in the world around us.

jreulbach       I'm not sure I get this. Trying. #sbarbook

fourkatie       @druinok agree, the math examples have not been helpful. made note to self - need

about 100 more math examples to figure this out #sbarbook

justbugnu     @eduz8 I like that one. #sbarbook

druinok          @jrykse ahhh, mine was too topical, got it :)  #sbarbook

druinok          @eduz8 got it!  go beyond the current unit to think big picture #sbarbook

fourkatie       one example is not enough for me to generalize #sbarbook

jreulbach       @druinok @eduz8 Hmmm, not me. so my SSUT is too narrow them?

eduz8             I kind of think of understandings as ideas that connect courses (2 or 3 in a row)  #sbarbook

lmhenry9      I am with @jreulbach - I am struggling writing an understanding. #sbarbook

eduz8             Essential questions seemed to be bigger; lead to discussions of ideas that cover all high school courses? #sbarbook

jreulbach       @eduz8 Yes, but some small ideas (order of operations) are the basis for everything. It becomes a fact later, but in MS is not understood?

lmhenry9      The idea I am playing around with in my head has to do with solving equations, but I can't come up with the wording I want. #sbarbook

druinok          @fourkatie and the pythag theorem thing was not useful to me :(  #sbarbook

fourkatie       I like that! RT @eduz8 I kind of think of understandings as ideas that connect courses (2 or 3 in a row) #sbarbook

justbugnu     #sbarbook I wonder if the UbD pd workbook would spell it out better. Has anyone got that one?

justbugnu     @druinok #sbarbook. I liked that one. We have to create hands on activities to help them see the pattern b4 we intro the pyth theorem.

lmhenry9      @druinok @fourkatie Me either. I really wanted them to give me the understanding for Pythagorean Theorem instead of all the theory. #sbarbook

jrykse             @lmhenry9 http://t.co/ezRzfWd See the 9-12 2nd bullet? #sbarbook

jreulbach       I'm frustrated bc I know I'm decently smart. I should get this easier. No wonder they have workshops. #sbarbook

druinok          @justbugnu I agree with that - but I was expecting them to do some essential understandings and such #sbarbook

fourkatie       @jreulbach Well, I think we as a collective are a bunch of smart cookies and we are all struggling. Perhaps not communicated well? #sbarbook

jrykse             @lmhenry9 @druinok @fourkatie Would those 5 bullets at bottom p140 be topical understandings? Never really gives "this is the EU" #sbarbook

eduz8             What about: SWU that tables, graphs and equations are all used to describe patterns.  Each has benefits. #sbarbook

druinok          .@jreulbach have to agree with @fourkatie on this one - we are all educated, intelligent adults, it's not just you

justbugnu     @fourkatie maybe that's their idea-make us struggle to feel like our students do when just learning from text?

druinok          Has anyone looked at common core (@samjshah) and if its written in UbD friendly terms? #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @jrykse @lmhenry9 @druinok @fourkatie The understanding or the statement is at the end of first paragraph #sbarbook

druinok          @justbugnu it's working! :) hehehh I definitely feel my student's frustration :)

jreulbach       @druinok @justbugnu I feel like quitting. I guess that is how they feel when we 1)talk too much 2) talk about their heads #sbarbook

druinok          @eduz8 I like that one - random thought: can an EU be TOO broad? #sbarbook

MathBratt     @justbugnu From what I remember it had different activities/templates to use  #sbarbook

Seestur          @jreulbach workshops and dozens of books written to help you understand ubd! It's a very tough book, don't feel bad.

MathBratt     @justbugnu I have the workbook but is packed away from moving rooms. We got them during WShop.  #sbarbook

eduz8             @druinok I think and EU can be too broad.  Perhaps it requires ability to build on it next year.  Perhaps it needs to be applied. #sbarbook

druinok          @jreulbach @justbugnu that is a convicting statement ... thankful for the group accountability #sbarbook

jreulbach       WHY wouldn't they just write it better? #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @jreulbach For me, the last paragraph of Pg 139 is the reason why I don't get this book as readily. #sbarbook

lmhenry9      @jrykse @druinok @fourkatie I interpreted the bullet points as reasons why Py Thm carries over several courses/is an understanding #sbarbook

lmhenry9      @mrhodotnet @jrykse @druinok @fourkatie But to me that seemed like a restatement of the Py Thm, not an "understanding." #sbarbook

jreulbach       @mrhodotnet yes, bc how are we expected to "perform" if we don't understand their understandings? lol! #sbarbook

lmhenry9      @mrhodotnet @jreulbach I had highlighted that exact sentence for that exact reason. #sbarbook

druinok          @lmhenry9 I don't have my book handy - can you quote the sentence? thanks :)

fourkatie       @mrhodotnet I agree.  I want them to present the exact opposite way they chose. criteria/definition first then ex/nonex etc #sbarbook

jreulbach       @fourkatie @mrhodotnet I need a TEACHER to teach me this book. #sbarbook

lmhenry9      Are we winding down on Chapter 6 of #sbarbook? Any other thoughts?

lmhenry9      #sbarbook "(The fact that you still may not be ready to craft good understandings is another example of why understanding is learned through, and reflected in, performance.)"

lmhenry9      #sbarbook Last tweet was the last sentence on pg. 139 we were referring to.

jreulbach       @lmhenry9 nah, I blame it on the authors... #sbarbook : )

druinok          @lmhenry9 thanks :) that was a sentence I marked too :)

fourkatie       the word I had to look up from #sbarbook was verisimilitude. really. was that necessary?

lmhenry9      @druinok said she would be willing to lead Ch 7 of #sbarbook on Mon 7/11 at 9:30p est if that works for everyone. I'll drop in as I can.

mrhodotnet I think I'll try it out on one of my classes then solicit some feedback. Just reading and not "doing" is not helping me understand #sbarbook

druinok          okay - so what's best for y'all on ch 7? I suggest we go back to 2 a week just to get through this thing :) #sbarbook

lmhenry9      My present thought is Ch 7 Mon 7/11 and Ch 8 Thu 7/14 (and I may very well miss both but will still archive them) #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @fourkatie I remembered that word from V for Vendetta. Who says you learn nothing from movies? :D #sbarbook

justbugnu     @lmhenry9 sounds good to me. Think we can trust her. Lol #sbarbook

mrhodotnet @druinok Sounds good :)

fourkatie       @lmhenry9 both dates sound good to me. #sbarbook

jrykse             Monday works. #sbarbook

jrykse             and Thursday works also. #sbarbook

lmhenry9      Okay, so we will plan on Ch 7 Mon 7/11 and Ch 8 Thu 7/14 both at 9:30p est. #sbarbook

druinok          @lmhenry9 it's good for me - thanks :)

lmhenry9      I'll pop in when I can and I will archive both chats. #sbarbook

justbugnu     @lmhenry9 thanks. U rock! #sbarbook

lmhenry9      I'll get the chat up shortly from #sbarbook tonight. Don't have too much fun without me on twitter all the time... ;-)

fourkatie       @druinok it was in chapter 4 on the six facets

jryske             Realized I did order #sbarbook workbook and it came. Here is an example from it: http://t.co/vddTE3w

jreulbach       @druinok I'm must get angry when i don't understand. #sbarbook

justbugnu     @jrykse thanks. I will check it out. #sbarbook

jreulbach       @fourkatie Yes, but when you teach and many students don't understand, do you blame students? #sbarbook

fourkatie       @jreulbach no-totally blame myself. I expect stdts to stop me & tell me I'm talking nonsense when they are lost. One of the 1st things I do.

jsb16               @jrykse #sbarbook I think "data can be communicated graphically" >topical: applies to all types of graphs & to science & SS, not just math

mrhodotnet @jreulbach @jrykse @samjshah Thanks for sharing the documents. It clarifies things a lot! I think I almost get it now.