druinok So, who all is here for #sbarbook?
fourkatie Here for #sbarbook
justbugnu #sbarbook I'm here for #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @druinok It's beginning to make more sense #sbarbook
jrykse Here #sbarbook
lmhenry9 I'll be here shortly for #sbarbook. Working on getting kids to bed now.
druinok so what did you guys think of this chapter? #sbarbook
fourkatie Well, I was actually able to get through this chapter, so that was a plus #sbarbook
druinok @fourkatie LOL *high five* :) #sbarbook
druinok The one thing I took away was "Students should understand THAT" - definitely helped w/ wording I think #sbarbook
fourkatie I liked the emphasis in parts that you need empathy for the novice, that you need to have a developmental reality check #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @druinok I like the quote you tweeted earlier on pg 139 about vocabulary #sbarbook
jreulbach @druinok Yes, that was in @samjshah's template. #cliffnotes #sbarbook
fourkatie that "what is initially a difficult inference can become, over time, an accepted and obvious fact" pg 136
jrykse Now there is also topical vs overarching understandings not just questions? Brain going to explode. #sbarbook
justbugnu #sbarbook I like the figure on pg 137. Will try it to see if helps identify EQ.
jrykse @jreulbach What is this template you speak of? #sbarbook
druinok .@mrhodotnet I was semi-sarcastic w/ that tweet :) I sometimes feel the authors have an Expert Blind Spot in this book #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @jrykse I liked that concept too. So in pre-calc we can work on function transformations then see how it also applies to trig fxns #sbarbook
fourkatie @jrykse totally agree with you. I feel like I'm going around in circles.
jreulbach "elementary teachers are typically well aware that much of what adults "know" is not at all obvious or sensible to kids. #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @druinok I know. I still like it. I actually like the other way. Give me the word and then clarify so I know how to organize ideas #sbarbook
druinok .@jrykse LOL - I feel that way often when reading this book... I'm more of a simple girl, no need for big words #sbarbook :)
druinok Okay, so within your own subject, can you complete one "Students should understand that..."? #sbarbook
jreulbach RT @bowmanimal: here's one that @samjshah and i made at our summer program sugarsync.com/pf/D6921860_65…
lmhenry9 Here now for #sbarbook. Working on catching up.
druinok .@jreulbach I loved that quote! Of course, I also jotted next to it that I felt that way in this book LOL #sbarbook
jreulbach I don't know if it an expert blind spot or just bad writing. too wordy. blah. #sbarbook
jreulbach . @druinok I FEEL that quote now that I teach ms. So much they don't know that is just "fact" in hs. #sbarbook
jrykse Students should understand that data can be communicated graphically. This would be a topical understanding? #sbarbook
druinok I did like how they did the concept attainment at the beginning of this chapter #sbarbook
lmhenry9 @jrykse I felt the same way about the topical/overarching understandings and questions. #sbarbook
jreulbach I'm a BIG fan of the summaries now. #sbarbook
mrhodotnet SSUT different graphical representations of data reveals different features of the dataset and respond differently to outliers #sbarbook
jreulbach @druinok It reminds me of the text book I had to read for the ONE political science class I took in college. #murder #sbarbook
fourkatie @druinok Exactly. Do as I say, not as I do. #sbarbook
druinok @jrykse sounds great to me! :) #sbarbook
druinok Students should understand that... quadratic functions can be used to model projectile motion ??? #sbarbook
fourkatie How about - Students should know that in math we only combine things that are alike (fractions, terms, complex nums...) #sbarbook
mrhodotnet SSUT function transformations apply to all types of functions, even trigronometric functions even though we call them phase shift #sbarbook
lmhenry9 @fourkatie I like that one. #sbarbook
mrhodotnet The second one seems a little narrow. Maybe that falls more into topical/overarching understading @jrykse mentioned earlier #sbarbook
druinok actually doing some writing is helping me I think #sbarbook
jreulbach SSUT we evaluate expressions in a certain order to get consistent answers.
druinok that section (civil war example) was the most useful.... the math examples are not helpful to me :( #sbarbook
justbugnu #sbarbook students should understand that living systems are organized by levels of complexity.
jrykse @druinok So then to turn that into overarching say SSUT functions can model real life. #sbarbook Don't really like "real life" phrase though
eduz8 @druinok #sbarbook re: quadratics. Maybe larger. Students understand that functions are used to model patterns in the world around us.
jreulbach I'm not sure I get this. Trying. #sbarbook
fourkatie @druinok agree, the math examples have not been helpful. made note to self - need
about 100 more math examples to figure this out #sbarbook
justbugnu @eduz8 I like that one. #sbarbook
druinok @jrykse ahhh, mine was too topical, got it :) #sbarbook
druinok @eduz8 got it! go beyond the current unit to think big picture #sbarbook
fourkatie one example is not enough for me to generalize #sbarbook
jreulbach @druinok @eduz8 Hmmm, not me. so my SSUT is too narrow them?
eduz8 I kind of think of understandings as ideas that connect courses (2 or 3 in a row) #sbarbook
lmhenry9 I am with @jreulbach - I am struggling writing an understanding. #sbarbook
eduz8 Essential questions seemed to be bigger; lead to discussions of ideas that cover all high school courses? #sbarbook
jreulbach @eduz8 Yes, but some small ideas (order of operations) are the basis for everything. It becomes a fact later, but in MS is not understood?
lmhenry9 The idea I am playing around with in my head has to do with solving equations, but I can't come up with the wording I want. #sbarbook
druinok @fourkatie and the pythag theorem thing was not useful to me :( #sbarbook
fourkatie I like that! RT @eduz8 I kind of think of understandings as ideas that connect courses (2 or 3 in a row) #sbarbook
justbugnu #sbarbook I wonder if the UbD pd workbook would spell it out better. Has anyone got that one?
justbugnu @druinok #sbarbook. I liked that one. We have to create hands on activities to help them see the pattern b4 we intro the pyth theorem.
lmhenry9 @druinok @fourkatie Me either. I really wanted them to give me the understanding for Pythagorean Theorem instead of all the theory. #sbarbook
jrykse @lmhenry9 http://t.co/ezRzfWd See the 9-12 2nd bullet? #sbarbook
jreulbach I'm frustrated bc I know I'm decently smart. I should get this easier. No wonder they have workshops. #sbarbook
druinok @justbugnu I agree with that - but I was expecting them to do some essential understandings and such #sbarbook
fourkatie @jreulbach Well, I think we as a collective are a bunch of smart cookies and we are all struggling. Perhaps not communicated well? #sbarbook
jrykse @lmhenry9 @druinok @fourkatie Would those 5 bullets at bottom p140 be topical understandings? Never really gives "this is the EU" #sbarbook
eduz8 What about: SWU that tables, graphs and equations are all used to describe patterns. Each has benefits. #sbarbook
druinok .@jreulbach have to agree with @fourkatie on this one - we are all educated, intelligent adults, it's not just you
justbugnu @fourkatie maybe that's their idea-make us struggle to feel like our students do when just learning from text?
druinok Has anyone looked at common core (@samjshah) and if its written in UbD friendly terms? #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @jrykse @lmhenry9 @druinok @fourkatie The understanding or the statement is at the end of first paragraph #sbarbook
druinok @justbugnu it's working! :) hehehh I definitely feel my student's frustration :)
jreulbach @druinok @justbugnu I feel like quitting. I guess that is how they feel when we 1)talk too much 2) talk about their heads #sbarbook
druinok @eduz8 I like that one - random thought: can an EU be TOO broad? #sbarbook
MathBratt @justbugnu From what I remember it had different activities/templates to use #sbarbook
Seestur @jreulbach workshops and dozens of books written to help you understand ubd! It's a very tough book, don't feel bad.
MathBratt @justbugnu I have the workbook but is packed away from moving rooms. We got them during WShop. #sbarbook
eduz8 @druinok I think and EU can be too broad. Perhaps it requires ability to build on it next year. Perhaps it needs to be applied. #sbarbook
druinok @jreulbach @justbugnu that is a convicting statement ... thankful for the group accountability #sbarbook
jreulbach WHY wouldn't they just write it better? #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @jreulbach For me, the last paragraph of Pg 139 is the reason why I don't get this book as readily. #sbarbook
lmhenry9 @jrykse @druinok @fourkatie I interpreted the bullet points as reasons why Py Thm carries over several courses/is an understanding #sbarbook
lmhenry9 @mrhodotnet @jrykse @druinok @fourkatie But to me that seemed like a restatement of the Py Thm, not an "understanding." #sbarbook
jreulbach @mrhodotnet yes, bc how are we expected to "perform" if we don't understand their understandings? lol! #sbarbook
lmhenry9 @mrhodotnet @jreulbach I had highlighted that exact sentence for that exact reason. #sbarbook
druinok @lmhenry9 I don't have my book handy - can you quote the sentence? thanks :)
fourkatie @mrhodotnet I agree. I want them to present the exact opposite way they chose. criteria/definition first then ex/nonex etc #sbarbook
jreulbach @fourkatie @mrhodotnet I need a TEACHER to teach me this book. #sbarbook
lmhenry9 Are we winding down on Chapter 6 of #sbarbook? Any other thoughts?
lmhenry9 #sbarbook "(The fact that you still may not be ready to craft good understandings is another example of why understanding is learned through, and reflected in, performance.)"
lmhenry9 #sbarbook Last tweet was the last sentence on pg. 139 we were referring to.
jreulbach @lmhenry9 nah, I blame it on the authors... #sbarbook : )
druinok @lmhenry9 thanks :) that was a sentence I marked too :)
fourkatie the word I had to look up from #sbarbook was verisimilitude. really. was that necessary?
lmhenry9 @druinok said she would be willing to lead Ch 7 of #sbarbook on Mon 7/11 at 9:30p est if that works for everyone. I'll drop in as I can.
mrhodotnet I think I'll try it out on one of my classes then solicit some feedback. Just reading and not "doing" is not helping me understand #sbarbook
druinok okay - so what's best for y'all on ch 7? I suggest we go back to 2 a week just to get through this thing :) #sbarbook
lmhenry9 My present thought is Ch 7 Mon 7/11 and Ch 8 Thu 7/14 (and I may very well miss both but will still archive them) #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @fourkatie I remembered that word from V for Vendetta. Who says you learn nothing from movies? :D #sbarbook
justbugnu @lmhenry9 sounds good to me. Think we can trust her. Lol #sbarbook
mrhodotnet @druinok Sounds good :)
fourkatie @lmhenry9 both dates sound good to me. #sbarbook
jrykse Monday works. #sbarbook
jrykse and Thursday works also. #sbarbook
lmhenry9 Okay, so we will plan on Ch 7 Mon 7/11 and Ch 8 Thu 7/14 both at 9:30p est. #sbarbook
druinok @lmhenry9 it's good for me - thanks :)
lmhenry9 I'll pop in when I can and I will archive both chats. #sbarbook
justbugnu @lmhenry9 thanks. U rock! #sbarbook
lmhenry9 I'll get the chat up shortly from #sbarbook tonight. Don't have too much fun without me on twitter all the time... ;-)
fourkatie @druinok it was in chapter 4 on the six facets
jryske Realized I did order #sbarbook workbook and it came. Here is an example from it: http://t.co/vddTE3w
jreulbach @druinok I'm must get angry when i don't understand. #sbarbook
justbugnu @jrykse thanks. I will check it out. #sbarbook
jreulbach @fourkatie Yes, but when you teach and many students don't understand, do you blame students? #sbarbook
fourkatie @jreulbach no-totally blame myself. I expect stdts to stop me & tell me I'm talking nonsense when they are lost. One of the 1st things I do.
jsb16 @jrykse #sbarbook I think "data can be communicated graphically" >topical: applies to all types of graphs & to science & SS, not just math
mrhodotnet @jreulbach @jrykse @samjshah Thanks for sharing the documents. It clarifies things a lot! I think I almost get it now.